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October 01, 2008

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Zack

Professor Yung, I find it interesting that Justice Scalia so blithely dismissed the concern about the potential danger that rape by members of the military could pose to the military as a justification for why military law does not matter in the civilian context. While Justice Kennedy did not elaborate, I think that the majority's distinction between military and civilian law is exactly right and supported by historical evidence (an example I can think of right off the top of my head is the problems the military were having in Okinawa due to soldiers raping Japanese civilians - it created a lot of tension between the governments of the United States and Japan - and of course, rape by soldiers can rise to the level of being a crime against humanity under international law as happened in the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda where soldiers systematically raped civilian women). Given the danger that rape by soldiers overseas can pose to other soldiers, it does seem to have the potenial to be like treason by a member of the armed forces.

rn

Scalia's argument about the 2006 military law reflected Congress's and the President's judgment regarding the death penalty is also ridiculous. Is there any evidence, of any sort, that any member of Congress discussed or even contemplated this tiny section in a massive bill? The fact that no one was even aware of this provision until after the Kennedy decision was issued speaks volumes about its significance.

Daniel

While this is the correct resolution, I think it still is a impressive accomplishment for one little blogger in the middle of nowhere. He didn't change the world, but he certainly got the legal community's attention. Fifteen years ago I doubt anyone would have even noticed what one guy thought about the application of an esoteric area of law to the death penalty.

The Internet has changed things.

bfgbx

CAAFlog is not a "little blogger" however. There are some familiar names on that blog and all are mil-law practitioners.

Chris

"Justices Alito and Thomas would grant rehearing, but as I read it, they didn't join Scalia's statement."

That's because Scalia and Roberts voted against rehearing: "I am voting against the petition for rehearing because the views of the American people on the death penalty for child rape were, to tell the truth, irrelevant to the majority's decision in this case."

Corey Rayburn Yung

Chris,

You are right, of course (and I probably should have made that clearer in my quick summary). I just found it odd that they either 1) didn't join in part of Scalia's analysis and not the outcome; or 2) write separately. Based upon the requests for more briefing, I just expected a more pronounced defense of rehearing the case from at least one of the Justices. I also found it strange that Scalia decided to attack the bean-counting evolving standards of decency approach so fervently when he didn't write separately in the original set of opinions.

Best,

CRY

David Nieporent

Professor Yung, I find it interesting that Justice Scalia so blithely dismissed the concern about the potential danger that rape by members of the military could pose to the military as a justification for why military law does not matter in the civilian context.

Zack, you present a policy argument why there's a justification for treating them differently. Nothing you say has any bearing on whether it's "cruel and unusual" -- the majority's claim -- in one situation and not another.

Daniel

David. I find your comment odd. The definition of what is cruel and unusual is contextual by nature. I am not a military law expert by any means but is appears well established that military law is fundamentally different than civilian law precisely because the contextual situations are so different. If my understanding is correct, the question would then become why is military law relevant (as opposed to why is military law irrelevant).

Corey Rayburn Yung

David,

I think Daniel is essentially correct in his reply. Because the Court has decided to use the bean-counting evolving standards of decency approach to what is "cruel and unusual," the question is what "beans" count? So, deciding if the military "bean" is similarly situated was the only issue on rehearing. That's why I found the Scalia statement kind of odd. He chose not to write separately when the original opinion was issued, but decided to lambast the evolving standards approach even though it wasn't the question before the Court upon rehearing. I agree with Scalia and others that the bean counting approach is horrible. Unfortunately, no one (including the dissent) seems to offer a viable alternative. References to originalism are disingenuous because no one on the Court seems to want an originalist view of the 8th Amendment. It was actually Scalia's failure to embrace originalism under the 8th Amendment that led to the criticism that his originalism was "faint-hearted." I think the majority opinion in Kennedy was exactly write in applying prior methodology. However, I think the methodology the Court uses in these cases is just horrible. But, for now, it is the best option available.

Best,

CRY

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