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June 25, 2008

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KipEsquire

Congrats on the cite...

Corey Rayburn Yung

Thanks. It was an unexpected, but wonderful surprise.

rn

I'm enjoying your site.

Wouldn't it have been a lot easier for Kennedy to just say that Coker v. Georgia controls the outcome of this case? After all, as Alito points out his dissent, most commentators, not to mention Powell's concurrence in Coker, concluded that the holding in Coker limited the death penalty to homicide offenses.

Corey Rayburn Yung

The majority could have just stated that Coker decided the big question, but the Court would still have to decide if circumstances had changed since Coker (as they did with the juvenile death penalty). Once they go down that train of thought, the clear controlling nature of Coker would tend to undermine the majority argument since you would never expect a national trend to emerge in opposition to Coker. So, although the majority could follow that line of argument they would end up in the same bind that I see for Alito's dissent (not that the double-bind stopped Alito from making both arguments).

Thanks for reading,

Corey

ohwilleke

The cite of your article is a quite clever move by the majority. The proposition you are cited for is common place logic which really requires no citation at all. But by choosing your article to cite for that proposition, the majority is implicitly taking a jab at the value system that forms a basis for the dissenting opinion.

rn

Certainly, stating that Coker controls the outcome would work against the majority's argument about national trends. But wouldn't it be sounder to rely on a stare decisis argument? It seems difficult to argue that the handful of states that had passed child rape DP laws represented an "emerging consensus" that mandated overruling Coker, if Coker was indeed controlling precedent. By not acknowledging Coker as precedent, J. Kennedy sticks himself with the burden on the "emerging consensus" issue.

Corey Rayburn Yung

I think the problem is that Coker stands for "bean-counting" and the idea of a changing national consensus. You can't say Coker controls and then discount all the methodology in the opinion. The very nature of Coker is such that it requires the Court to reexamine evolving standards from time to time.

And given that Coker repeatedly says "adult woman," there is a strong argument for distinguishing its holding. I'm not as persuaded as much as some, but perhaps Kennedy was honestly persuaded that Coker didn't control the outcome.

Corey

RCinProv

"Assuming the offender behaves in a rational way..."

And why would we assume that? Rational people do not rape children in the first place. The idea that child rapists will apply logic and rationality to acts that simply cannot be explained in those terms is, well, illogical. These perpetrators, almost by definition, are not rational actors. It's people who would never commit these crimes who see and understand the logic of such arguments!

RCinProv

p.s. Today's Providence Journal carries the story about the sentencing of Joshua Davis, who raped and killed an 8-year-old girl in a state that famously has not had a death penalty in decades.

Davis might have received life with a chance of parole had he not kiled his victim; instead, he did the "illogical" thing and killed her, assuring himself life without parole.

Why? As explained in the story: Joshua Davis penned a letter in which he described catching a mermaid and taking her for a cruise in his boat. “I decided I couldn’t let her leave, because if she swam back, the sharks would be looking for me,” he wrote, “so I enjoyed my catch.”

So much for the "logic" of how a child rapist assesses the likely penalities while commiting such crimes.

rn

I agree with you - Kennedy does seem committed to his national consensus approach, so much so that he feels it necessary to deny that Coker is controlling precedent. My point is: Why make the argument harder than it needs to be? This seems to be a running theme in J. Kennedy's opinions. . .

I'm going to be discussing the Kennedy opinion in my blog over the next few days. If you'd like to visit (click on my name), I'd sure appreciate your input.

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